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« Reply #1965 on: March 09, 2010, 08:21:13 PM »

Here's a thought to ponder about Claire and her "friend"  He's only been "smocke" for a few days at most.  The Ajira flight landed only about a week or so ago in island time.  Claire has been rogue for 3 years.  Unless she just befriended smocke recently, she probably has an idea of his true form.   Merjim's Brain BIGTIME!
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« Reply #1966 on: March 10, 2010, 09:17:28 AM »

 hyper

that might have been the best episode of the season so far.  Dr. Linus never ceases to surprise me.  I really had no idea whether he was going to do the right thing for his "daughter" in the flash sideways.... but how about that, a completely selfless act.  and he even gives his parking spot to arzt!  good times.  and on the island... a rare moment of complete and utter honesty from him.  granted, it was born out of hitting rock bottom, but was touching even so.  all of jacob's servants are feeling the frustration right now, like they have been hoodwinked into serving him for no real point.  but, as jack showed richard... perhaps the fat lady hasn't sung just yet.  it was nice to see richard pissed off!  so, was he a slave or captive on the black rock (the chains)?  the dynamite thing harkens back to when michael was trying to kill himself but couldn't!  hyper 

it's a credit to the show that halfway through, as ben was digging his grave... at least a part of me wondered if they just MIGHT kill him.  i thought the odds were good that he weaseled out of it somehow, but this show is so crazy, i wouldn't 100% put it past them.  i'm glad he lived though.  he's great. 

was the guy who played the principal on the show before?  he looked like someone i should maybe know, but i couldn't remember where he might have fit in..  :B

will the finale be a big battle between smocke & jack/richard/illana et al?  or will that come sooner?  it seems fairly imminent!@#
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« Reply #1967 on: March 10, 2010, 11:16:55 AM »

i still like how calm cool and collected smokeylocke is. Smiley
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Jack actually didn't piss me off this episode, so that's nice.

One thing that bothered me about Dr. Linus is that he gave up the upper hand so easily with the principal!! umm, hello, ur still in the driver seat!! i am adding to the list of demands that you write alex a good rec!# TIA!! i guess maybe he just realized that this clearly wasn't a path he wanted to go down.
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« Reply #1968 on: March 10, 2010, 11:20:13 AM »

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that might have been the best episode of the season so far.  Dr. Linus never ceases to surprise me.  I really had no idea whether he was going to do the right thing for his "daughter" in the flash sideways.... but how about that, a completely selfless act.  and he even gives his parking spot to arzt!  good times.

Michael Emerson (Ben) was fantastic as usual, it would have been a shame to kill him off just yet because his acting and that character bring so much to the show.  I was kind of disappointed that Ben didn't say he was going to accept just the letter of recommendation,  let her get it and then say: "well, these e-mails are still damning to you so I want your job anyway."   pirate  That didn't fit into the character development they were going for though so I get why they didn't do that.  That brings me back to a point I've made before.  Most of the people we have seen in the alternate off-island timeline have found some sort of resolution to their character's main flaw.  The exception being Sayid, but with him finding Jin in the closet his story may not be all told.  It's an interesting trend and it makes me wonder where they are heading with it and the on island story being told side by side.   

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and on the island... a rare moment of complete and utter honesty from him.  granted, it was born out of hitting rock bottom, but was touching even so.
It was definitely a moment of change for Ben, the old Ben would have killed her and ran off to take his place with Smocke.  It was also a telling moment for Ilana, she realized that her "team" can use all the help it can get, and a contrite Ben might prove to be a great asset. 

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  all of jacob's servants are feeling the frustration right now, like they have been hoodwinked into serving him for no real point.  but, as jack showed richard... perhaps the fat lady hasn't sung just yet.  it was nice to see richard pissed off!  so, was he a slave or captive on the black rock (the chains)?  the dynamite thing harkens back to when michael was trying to kill himself but couldn't!  hyper

Yeah, Richard's rare moment of weakness was great, that scene between he and Jack was pretty important.  Jack has fully transitioned from a "Man of Science" to a "Man of Faith."  Very interesting, he is now firmly on Jacob's team. 

They have definitely hinted at Richard having been a slave/captive on the Black Rock.  Earlier this season Smocke said to him "Hello Richard, it's good to see you out of those chains"  Most people likely assumed it was a metaphor for Jacob being dead and Richard being "free" now, but it was also likely very literal. 

The weird thing about the similarities of Michael not being able to kill himself, or even Locke's failed attempt off island too, is that in Michael's case it was Christian Sheppard telling him he could finally die.  In Richard and Jack's case it is clearly Jacob's doing.  Thinking about Michael's circumstances, he couldn't die until Sayid, Kate, Sun, Jin, and Desmond got off the boat.  All candidates.  Many and myself included have kind of assumed that Christian = smokey = smocke.  That may not be the case.

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it's a credit to the show that halfway through, as ben was digging his grave... at least a part of me wondered if they just MIGHT kill him.  i thought the odds were good that he weaseled out of it somehow, but this show is so crazy, i wouldn't 100% put it past them.  i'm glad he lived though.  he's great.
Indeed, they had even flatly said in the preview that he meets his demise in that episode. 
 
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was the guy who played the principal on the show before?  he looked like someone i should maybe know, but i couldn't remember where he might have fit in..  :B
I do not remember him on LOST previously, but I know he was the evil professor from Real Genius!   hyper

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will the finale be a big battle between smocke & jack/richard/illana et al?  or will that come sooner?  it seems fairly imminent!@#
I have no clue.  I just remember season 4 I think where we knew the Oceanic 6 were going to get off the island, but right up until the finale they were all nowhere near each other.  Then in a crazy cluster of events they all came together.   I still have a feeling you are going to see some side changing of "teams" and a bit more to the story before the big climax.  For instance, Widmore is back!  Where does he fit in?  It will be very interesting.  He was determined to help Locke and the Oceanic 6 get back because in his words 'There is a war coming and you have to be there for the right side to win' or something to that effect. He also perceived that Ben was his enemy and on the other side.  Does that mean he is with Smocke, or did he perceive that Ben was with Smocke?  Maybe he was talking about a personal war with Ben and not THE big battle.  umm  Let's say he is a Jacob guy, was he the one Jacob was trying to set the lighthouse for?  Maybe it wasn't a complete lie afterall.  Wouldn't it be interesting to see him and Ben on the same side.  Could they even coexist?   Huh  If he is on Smocke's team is he how they are all going to get off the island?  I also think it means Penny and Desmond are soon to follow. 
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« Reply #1969 on: March 10, 2010, 11:39:43 AM »

This appears to be William Atherton's first appearance in Lost, since he is not even listed yet as a Lost cast member on imdb.
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« Reply #1970 on: March 10, 2010, 11:48:39 AM »

Also, revisiting a theme from last week, Smocke once again offered someone the thing he felt they wanted most, which in Ben's case he perceived to be the power that came with running or ruling the island.  Ben did what we have not seen anyone else do yet, he turned him down by accepting Ilana's offer to join her.   
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« Reply #1971 on: March 10, 2010, 11:51:26 AM »

the thing about Ilana's offer is it wasn't contingent on anything like jacob and smocke have been doing! it was just straight up acceptance!!
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« Reply #1972 on: March 10, 2010, 12:13:34 PM »

I was kind of disappointed that Ben didn't say he was going to accept just the letter of recommendation,  let her get it and then say: "well, these e-mails are still damning to you so I want your job anyway."   pirate  That didn't fit into the character development they were going for though so I get why they didn't do that. 
 
i guess the evil principal called his bluff and Ben didn't want to take the chance that he would be willing to go down in flames just to stick it to Ben.  but the island version of Ben definitely would have pushed harder and taken the power..... which is what got Alex killed in that timeline.  so in the flash-sideways... he puts her first and not the power grab.  i thought it was a nice juxtaposition.

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That brings me back to a point I've made before.  Most of the people we have seen in the alternate off-island timeline have found some sort of resolution to their character's main flaw.  The exception being Sayid, but with him finding Jin in the closet his story may not be all told.  It's an interesting trend and it makes me wonder where they are heading with it and the on island story being told side by side.   
perhaps their off-island fate is tied to where they stand during the final battle.  like, sayid is infected and with smocke... so his off-island life is one of frustration and being forced into being what he doesn't want to be.  Hurley, on the other hand, is lucky and successful.  Locke is at peace with his disability and the love of Helen. 

dunno just a thought.

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the thing about Ilana's offer is it wasn't contingent on anything like jacob and smocke have been doing! it was just straight up acceptance!!
and ben didn't have to force it out of her via violence or blackmail, only honesty.  it was one of the best moments of the series.  i also liked at teh very end when jack & hurley are reuniting with sun, etc., and ben is kind of standing back... still alone and not fully accepted.  strange how i can feel sorry for the guy after all the evil manipulative crap he's done.  that's a testament to how good he's been on the show.

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The weird thing about the similarities of Michael not being able to kill himself, or even Locke's failed attempt off island too, is that in Michael's case it was Christian Sheppard telling him he could finally die.  In Richard and Jack's case it is clearly Jacob's doing.  Thinking about Michael's circumstances, he couldn't die until Sayid, Kate, Sun, Jin, and Desmond got off the boat.  All candidates.  Many and myself included have kind of assumed that Christian = smokey = smocke.  That may not be the case.
yeah, i thought Clairebear's statements implied that Christian was a smockey manifestation... but at this point i will admit i has no idea and wait for teh show to fill in teh blanks.  :B

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Indeed, they had even flatly said in the preview that he meets his demise in that episode.  
yeah i don't watch those.  Smiley

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I do not remember him on LOST previously, but I know he was the evil professor from Real Genius!   hyper
AND BEN'S DAD WAS LASLO!@#  hyper  ahhh good times.  it's to the point now where any time a fringe character is introduced i'm EXPECTING to have to remember where else they have appeared on teh show!@#  Accountant Jim

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He also perceived that Ben was his enemy and on the other side.  Does that mean he is with Smocke, or did he perceive that Ben was with Smocke? 
that makes me wonder what jacob thought about ben.  "he was hoping he was wrong about you".  perhaps killing jacob showed that he WAS wrong about him?  or maybe ben making the choice to follow illana rather than pursue island power proves (albeit a tad late) that jacob was wrong about him.  it is hard to know, without knowing what jacob was thinking about him!  umm

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« Reply #1973 on: March 10, 2010, 01:30:30 PM »

that makes me wonder what jacob thought about ben.  "he was hoping he was wrong about you".  perhaps killing jacob showed that he WAS wrong about him?  or maybe ben making the choice to follow illana rather than pursue island power proves (albeit a tad late) that jacob was wrong about him.  it is hard to know, without knowing what jacob was thinking about him!  umm
Retracing a few things, I am leaning towards Widmore being a Smocke guy.  Remember that we first saw the people that Ilana came to the island with as the "What lies in the shadow of the statue" people that didn't want Miles to go on Widmore's ship.  Specifically they told him: "You are playing for the wrong team"  Well, now we know they were Jacob's 'team', so it would stand to reason that Widmore is a Smocke guy. Also, perhaps the sub is how Smocke intends to get off the island.  It is possible that he offered Widmore a similar deal to Ben, that if he gets him off the island he can 'run' it.  That has been Widmore's quest since he left.
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« Reply #1974 on: March 10, 2010, 03:10:32 PM »

yeah, i thought Clairebear's statements implied that Christian was a smockey manifestation... but at this point i will admit i has no idea and wait for teh show to fill in teh blanks.  :B
i already proved that the OPPOSITE of this is true!@ weary i cannot believe how obvious this is and that you can't see it, "my father AND my friend!!" two different people!! as jim said, she's known smokey 3 years!! i think she would know the difference between him and her father!!

Retracing a few things, I am leaning towards Widmore being a Smocke guy.  Remember that we first saw the people that Ilana came to the island with as the "What lies in the shadow of the statue" people that didn't want Miles to go on Widmore's ship.  Specifically they told him: "You are playing for the wrong team"  Well, now we know they were Jacob's 'team', so it would stand to reason that Widmore is a Smocke guy. Also, perhaps the sub is how Smocke intends to get off the island.  It is possible that he offered Widmore a similar deal to Ben, that if he gets him off the island he can 'run' it.  That has been Widmore's quest since he left.

i agree. Widmore is on opposite team of Ben. Ben has always been on jacob's team, even though he killed jacob in a fit of rage. misguided or no, he's on jacob's team. and Ben even picked jacob and the hard path over smocke and being given the island!

it's like the craziness of this show has peoples' brains all Accountant Jim and losing sight of things that are obviously true.
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« Reply #1975 on: March 11, 2010, 11:45:56 AM »

i already proved that the OPPOSITE of this is true!@ weary i cannot believe how obvious this is and that you can't see it, "my father AND my friend!!" two different people!! as jim said, she's known smokey 3 years!! i think she would know the difference between him and her father!!
Well hold on a second there, let's not get ahead of ourselves.   We have absolutely no idea how long she has known smokie or at least in the capacity that she seems to now, knowing his true form and ability.  For all we know she could have met him just when he turned into Smocke.  It's unlikely, but to go patting yourself on the back about seeing the obvious and then making huge assumptions to back it up is poor form.   stuburn  We also have ZERO idea who or what was manifesting as Christian Sheppard.  He appeared in the cabin seemingly before the ash was broken, he appeared to Locke in the well before he turned the wheel, and then to Jack OFF of the island where it does not seem Smokie can go.  To this point we've seen no indication that Jacob can manifest as anyone else, so we have no clue what the Christian manifestations are.  They could be smokie, they could just be Christian's ghost, Jacob's mouthpiece or a combination.  We don't know that Christian telling Claire something and Smocke telling her something are two, one or 10 people.   Accountant Jim
 
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« Reply #1976 on: March 11, 2010, 12:01:23 PM »

nope.  he proved it.  it hath been proventined. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1977 on: March 11, 2010, 01:48:00 PM »

nope.  he proved it.  it hath been proventined. Roll Eyes

first off, when i say i proved it, obviously that is sarcasm!! catch it!!!

We also have ZERO idea who or what was manifesting as Christian Sheppard.
agreed.

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  He appeared in the cabin seemingly before the ash was broken, he appeared to Locke in the well before he turned the wheel, and then to Jack OFF of the island where it does not seem Smokie can go.  To this point we've seen no indication that Jacob can manifest as anyone else, so we have no clue what the Christian manifestations are.
claire's statement is just one of many things to point to the fact that smokey is not christian!

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  They could be smokie, they could just be Christian's ghost, Jacob's mouthpiece or a combination.  We don't know that Christian telling Claire something and Smocke telling her something are two, one or 10 people.   Accountant Jim

with all the information we DO have it would be silly to just ignore it all and be all stuburn WE HAS NO IDEA WHATSOEVER!@#! no, we DO have some idea!! we have an idea based on everything we've seen!! and from all of that, it seems HIGHLY DOUBTFUL that christian's manifestations are smokey. i mean, yes we don't know who he IS, but we can assume who he is not.

i think i'm partly stuburn about it cause it's like, OOHH IF MANIFESTATION THEN SMOKEY!@#! and i don't buy it or believe it!! stuburn that's borying AND we have evidence to the contrary. 
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« Reply #1978 on: March 11, 2010, 02:24:38 PM »

i already proved that the OPPOSITE of this is true!@ weary i cannot believe how obvious this is and that you can't see it, "my father AND my friend!!" two different people!! as jim said, she's known smokey 3 years!! i think she would know the difference between him and her father!!

yeah, that's pretty sarcasmy. Roll Eyes

also, to rule out smokey completely seems premature at best.  could smokey impersonate christian in some form of smokey ghosty manifestationness?  Tongue
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